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[quote2c="Sony Press Release"]Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. To Launch its Next Generation Computer Entertainment System, PLAYSTATION 3 in Spring 2006

Unrivaled Performance with the Introduction of Cell Processor and Many Advanced Technologies, and Backwards compatible with PlayStation® and PlayStation®2

Los Angeles, CALIF., May 16, 2005 - At a press conference held in Los Angeles, California, today, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) revealed the outline of its PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3) computer entertainment system, incorporating the world's most advanced Cell processor with super computer like power. Prototypes of PS3 will also be showcased at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), the world's largest interactive entertainment exhibition held in Los Angeles, from May 18th to 20th.

PS3 combines state-of-the-art technologies featuring Cell, a processor jointly developed by IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba Corporation, graphics processor (RSX) co-developed by NVIDIA Corporation and SCEI, and XDR memory developed by Rambus Inc. It also adopts BD-ROM (Blu-ray Disc ROM) with maximum storage capacity of 54 GB (dual layer) , enabling delivery of entertainment content in full high-definition (HD) quality, under a secure environment made possible through the most advanced copyright protection technology. To match the accelerating convergence of digital consumer electronics and computer technology, PS3 supports high quality display in resolution of 1080p(*) as standard, which is far superior to 720p/1080i.

With an overwhelming computing power of 2 teraflops, entirely new graphical expressions that have never been seen before will become possible. In games, not only will movement of characters and objects be far more refined and realistic, but landscapes and virtual worlds can also be rendered in real-time, thereby elevating the freedom of graphics expression to levels not experienced in the past. Gamers will literally be able to dive into the realistic world seen in large screen movies and experience the excitement in real-time.

In 1994, SCEI launched the original PlayStation® (PS), followed by PlayStation®2 (PS2) in 2000 and PlayStation®Portable (PSP®) in 2004, every time introducing the latest advancement in technology and bringing innovation to the interactive entertainment software creation. Over 13,000 titles have been developed by now, creating a software market that sells more than 250 million copies annually. PS3 offers backward compatibility enabling gamers to enjoy these enormous assets from PS and PS2 platforms.

PlayStation family of products are sold in more than 120 countries and regions around the world. With cumulative shipments reaching more than 102 million for PS and approximately 89 million for PS2, they are the undisputed leaders and have become the standard platform for home entertainment. After 12 years from the introduction of the original PS and 6 years from the launch of PS2, SCEI brings PS3, the newest platform with the most advanced next generation computer entertainment technology.

With the delivery of Cell based development tools that has already begun, development of game titles as well as tools and middleware are in progress. Through collaboration with world's leading tools and middleware companies, SCEI will offer full support to new content creation by providing developers with extensive tools and libraries that will bring out the power of the Cell processor and enable efficient software development.

Preparations are under way for launch of PS3 and new generation software in the spring of 2006. (*)1080p/720p/1080i: "p" stands for progressive scan method, "i" stands for interlace method. 1080p is the highest resolution within the HD standard.

"SCEI has continuously brought innovation to the world of computer entertainment, such as real-time 3D computer graphics on PlayStation and the world's first 128 bit processor Emotion Engine (EE) for PlayStation 2. Empowered by the Cell processor with super computer like performance, a new age of PLAYSTATION 3 is about to begin. Together with content creators from all over the world, SCEI will accelerate the arrival of a new era in computer entertainment." Ken Kutaragi, President and CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc..

Supporting comments from third party developers and publishers (In alphabetical order of company name)

"With the new generation PlayStation platform, we can create "GUNDAM WORLD" with the quality no one has ever imagined. The philosophy, connecting millions of Cell together, makes reality get closer to the world of SF films. We are delighted to share the vision of Ken, ARCHITECT, Kutaragi." Shin Unozawa, Managing Director, Leader, Game Software Group, President, Video Game Company, BANDAI CO.,LTD.

"The PLAYSTATION 3 has us really excited! So much so in fact that we are already working our hardest to get Devil May Cry 4 out for this new platform. New hardware always yields more options for developers to create exciting and fresh gameplay experiences. I believe that the PS3 is one piece of hardware that will test the mettle of our development team and help us to create some of the most amazing games, limited only by our imagination." Keiji Inafune, Managing Executive Officer, Research & Development Division, Capcom Co., Ltd.

"Each generation of PlayStation has made a dramatic improvement in how we create and play videogames. PLAYSTATION 3 will be a breakthrough in how the world experiences entertainment. EA is fully aligned with Sony Computer Entertainment - we share their vision and applaud their success. " Larry Probst, Chairman and CEO, Electronic Arts

"President Kutaragi has thrown down a gauntlet. That gauntlet is called the PLAYSTATION 3. We here at Koei have gladly taken up the challenge, and are striving day and night to take full advantage of all the PS3's new possibilities. Our goal is to combine cutting-edge technology with a full range of artistic expression to deliver the ultimate form of entertainment, and please people everywhere." Keiko Erikawa, Chairman & C.E.O., KOEI Co., Ltd.

"With the arrival of the next generation computer entertainment system PLAYSTATION 3, I believe it will be possible for graphic expressions, more beautiful than before, to coexist with more deep and evolved game play which utilize the Cell architecture. I also have high expectations for the evolution by the online features that will be enhanced. We will utilize the features of the new platform and will strive to create contents that will bring new excitement for our users world wide, so please have high hopes for Konami. " Kazumi Kitaue, CEO, Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc

"Each time SCEI launches a console, the video games business moves to the next level. With PLAYSTATION 3 it looks as if it might be time for interactive entertainment to become, finally, the world's dominant artistic medium. " Sam Houser, President, Rockstar Games (Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.)

"We at Namco have used and will continue to use the advancements in audio-visual technology to deliver games that are not only appealing to the eyes and ears, but that stir emotions, speak to the heart, and remain in players' minds for years to come. We are confident that the PLAYSTATION 3 is an entertainment system that will enable us to do just that." Shigeru Yokoyama, CT Company President, Namco Ltd.

Hisao Oguchi, President and Chief Operating Officer, SEGA Corporation "Next-generation hardware platforms will enable SEGA to create new game concepts that offer more immersive interactive experiences. SEGA continues to pursue the fusion of creativity and technology by publishing only the best, more innovative content to gamers around the world."

Yoichi Wada, President, SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. "Square Enix is extremely honored to have had the chance to provide you with this technical demonstration of what the Cell processor can bring to the PLAYSTATION 3 and the world of gaming. We are committed to fully backing SCEI's new computer entertainment system and plans to bring the FINAL FANTASY series to the PS3 are just beyond the horizon."

Yves Guillemot, President and CEO, Ubisoft "Ubisoft was one of the first major international developers to have its teams start focusing on next generation consoles. We are looking forward to developing outstanding games on Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.'s new system. Its powerful features will help take the industry to an even higher level in the very near future."

PLAYSTATION®3 Specifications Product name PLAYSTATION®3 CPU Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz 1 VMX vector unit per core 512KB L2 cache 7 x SPE @3.2GHz 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy total floating point performance : 218 GFLOPS

GPU RSX @550MHz 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)

Memory 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth Main RAM 25.6GB/s VRAM 22.4GB/s RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read) SB 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance 2 TFLOPS

Storage HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0) Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1 SD standard/mini x 1 CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2) Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller Bluetooth (up to 7) USB2.0 (wired) Wi-Fi (PSP®) Network (over IP)

AV Output Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p HDMI HDMI out x 2 Analog AV MULTI OUT x 1 Digital audio DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc media * read only CD PlayStation® CD-ROM PlayStation®2 CD-ROM CD-DA CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW SACD SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD DualDisc DualDisc (audio side),DualDisc DVD side)

DVD PlayStation®2 DVD-ROM PLAYSTATION®3 DVD-ROM DVD-Video DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW

Blu-ray Disc PLAYSTATION®3 BD-ROM BD-Video BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE [/quote2c]

So from this we can see that the PS3 won't come out until 2006, whilst the Xbox 360 is making a 2005 appearance. This means that we will probably get the Xbox 360 in Autumn 2006 in Aust and I reckon the PS3 for Christmas 2006. The Xbox 360 will be released in Europe, USA and Japan this year but unfortunately not Aus.

Another major difference is the Xbox 360 will only use standard DVDs 9gig capacity! Whilst PS3 will be using Blu-ray 54gig capacity discs along with DVDs. I assume in the short term most games will come out on DVD for both consoles, but then a couple of years down the track companies will start to release Blu-ray games for PS3 whilst the Xbox 360 games would be just put on multiple dvds.

Also the Xbox 360 has wireless controllers but you will have to buy an adaptor to connect it with your home wireless network, whilst the PS3 has wireless and 3(!!!) wired connections built in!

It also appears as though the PS3 will support a higher resolution for graphics, 1080p, as opposed to the xbox 360 with 720i, although without actually seeing anything real this may just be press release crap.

All up the main differences appear to be the Xbox 360 focused on trying to enhance Xbox Live with online features, whilst PS3 is just trying to make the best stand alone games system possible.

Here are some pictures of the PS3 for those interested:
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:08 pm
I think I'm more inclined to get the Xbox 360 over the Playstation 3, at least at this early stage. I've always HATED the Playstation controller. Then again, I might end up like quite a few others and wind up owning both systems after a while :P. After the big dissapointment that was the Nintendo GameCube, the Nintendo Revolution (I think it's gonna be called that?) will have to make HUGE changes for the better before I consider buying that. I dont mean in the technology aspect, more in relation of the games it releases.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:25 pm
The design looks good, and the specs are good as well. No matter what though do, it comes down the the enjoyment I get out of the games much more than how powerful the machine is.
I've never really enjoyed any playstation games. I'm not saying I've hated them all, there have been some okay ones I've played in the past. But not enough to warent a purchase of the machine.
Beyond technical improvements on the machine itself I'm guessing it will be the same kinda games released as per usual. We'll have to see what happens though.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo have up their sleave as they usually end up releasing their console after the other two. I always thought this was the best ploy, but that is probably just me. :D
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:35 pm
At this stage both the Xbox 360 and PS3 are all hype. But Nintendo hasn't even got to that stage! Not sure when they will release more details of their console. Maybe they will look at a 2007 release?

As for which console is gonna be better, you really can't tell at this early stage. But the one thing I think we can all agree on, is that each of the consoles are all gonna be f**king kick arse.

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Here is a picture of the controller with the unit.
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Just finished watching the Sony Press Conference. They reckon the Sony Cell processor is twice as fast as the Xbox 360 and 32 times faster than the emotion engine (PS2).

Also, the PS3 will have all the online facilities as Xbox Live, including a detachable hard drive. Basically Sony are trying to copy everything Xbox 360 are doing and making it better. Xbox 360 can do High Definition, PS3 can do Higher Definition on two High Definition monitors at the same time!
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:01 pm
The article was too long for me to read at this time of the night. How much do you think this PS3 will cost?

Love the design, appearance wise I'll prefer this over XBox 360.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:31 pm
my guess on price... $1000 rrp at time of release.

my guess on the new game price... $120 - 150 rrp.

i've been speechless all day... unbelievable. imo, they completely kicked the **** out of microsoft.

just on everything.... performance, connectivity, design, games, extra featues... the whole thing.

another huge selling point for me... i won't have to buy a 2nd gen dvd player as well. great connectivity with my psp which i will be getting in september, memory stick support.. the whole lot.... simply amazing.

now, we know australia wonm't see the xbox 360 till early 2006... i wonder how much longer after the march japan ps3 release we'll have to wait?

also... i'll produce the link later, but it appears there WILL be two versions of the PS3. another version with a Blu-ray WRITER will be released 3 months after the normal onw (in japan), and will of course come at a heftier price. which is fantastic... but kind of annoys me as well, cause when it comes to consoles, i am insanely impatient.

i've got some awesome pics, but for any person into gaming/consoles... watch the sony press conference that's hosted by gamespot, it will blow you away.
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[quote:8deb297ee6="sherry is alive"]my guess on price... $1000 rrp at time of release.

my guess on the new game price... $120 - 150 rrp.[/quote:8deb297ee6]

No chance. The price will be at most $700 for the console, with $600 more realistic. Games I think will range from $100 - $120. With three next gen consoles all coming out within 12 months of each other the competition is going to push the price right down very quickly. By 2007 I am sure each console would be selling for no more than $500.

A price point of $1000 would kill the console. God xbox almost died when they initially released they console for $700 here in Australia. No one bought it. A $1000 price point would see very few units shipped, and would be well over priced.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:42 am
wow thanks for the piccies syl i can hardly wait!!!!
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Before i respond on the pricing issue... i'm going to post some awesome REAL ps3 pics... not just graphic mock ups. enjoy ppls. (sorry to the ppl on dial up)

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[quote:5551b7d018="syl"][quote:5551b7d018="sherry is alive"]my guess on price... $1000 rrp at time of release.

my guess on the new game price... $120 - 150 rrp.[/quote:5551b7d018]

No chance. The price will be at most $700 for the console, with $600 more realistic. Games I think will range from $100 - $120. With three next gen consoles all coming out within 12 months of each other the competition is going to push the price right down very quickly. By 2007 I am sure each console would be selling for no more than $500.

A price point of $1000 would kill the console. God xbox almost died when they initially released they console for $700 here in Australia. No one bought it. A $1000 price point would see very few units shipped, and would be well over priced.[/quote:5551b7d018]

hmm... i really really doubt this to be true... i would LIKE it to be so, but i'm trying to be as brutally realistic as possible. the PS2 launched here in the $700 - $800 price market. just on the graphical power alone, the PS3 is worth about $1000 US... ad to this a hdd/blu-ray drive/cell processor/hdtv... it all starts to add up.

but what i'm really looking at... is the trend in price differences between aus/usa/jap

the PS2 launched in america for $300US... so in effect, we payed TWICE as much as america did.

the psp launched in america (value pack), for a little over $200US.... it's launching here for $450, so we're paying about 1.74 times more for the psp.

now, have a look at the recent price guesses from ppl in the know... http://www.i4u.com/article3432.html http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615745p1.html

so $465 US seems to be the going guess... DIRECTLY translated, that's ~$600.... but what about the inevitable markup? as you can see, it has come down a bit since the ps2 (probably due in small part to our economy, thank's johnny :) ), but they're still tagging us ~1.74 times more than america. using a trusty calculator, that puts it at ~$1044 in my books. which is extremely expensive, but then again, i think we'll recieve further relief from their usual markup, and it will be ~$1000, which was my original guess.

but it's very important to realise that it WILL be more expensive in america, than the PS2 was there anyway... an increase of $165US.... so i really don't see a dramatic increase in america, resulting in a dramatic decrease in australia, however much i'd like it to be.

my advice... get a job and start saving now... the PS3 and the XBOX 360, will undoubtedly burn a huge whole in your wallet.
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